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Olde-Tymie Survival Tool

Post by ahamacav » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:12 pm

This perfectly good forum has been sitting dead for over a month;

Man's first tool- chipped rock or sharpened stick?

I think evidence points to the rock, but doesn't a pointy stick seem the most likely?
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Post by Tracker » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:19 pm

OK- First post for me- I can lurk no longer with bait like this.
Man's first tool could not be either. It would have to be whatever was used to sharpen the stick or to chip the rock. :rofl:

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Post by deathvalleydan » Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:05 pm

Wow that's thinking outside of the box...welcome!

I'd go with the stick
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Post by Scott » Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:16 pm

Maybe it was a bone.

They've documented Chimps using sticks to fish termites out of holes, and I seem to remember reading about birds dropping rocks on clams to break the shells, so there's evidence in the animal kingdom for both....

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Post by Tracker » Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:53 pm

I'd bet that birds have been dropping things on hard surfaces for a long time. I used to ponder why I often found golfballs way off the beaten path- until I watched a raven tweak his beak trying to peck one open; then he tried dropping it on the rocks. He gave up when another one stole it and flew off. That was near Darwin and I don't think they have a golf course.
I guess a tortoise egg kind of looks like a golfball.....

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Post by johnc » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:08 pm

could have been a sex stone.

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Post by ahamacav » Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:36 pm

I think birds are use dropping shells on rocks to open them as methods maybe rather than tools. Monkeys use sticks as tools, but don't make tools. Interesting point on the first tool being whatever it took to make the first man made tool.

So maybe I should rephrase; was the first tool that man made/fabricated a sharp stick or a chipped rock?

If we use tools to assist in processes, is a weapon a tool? Certainly early man would have used a fabricated point on a stick to assist in processing a live animal to dead. Or did man develop stone tools to process/scavenge carcasses killed by other animals before he became a predator?

I think a bone would be a material that a more advanced tool maker would use.
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Post by Scott » Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:49 pm

ahamacav wrote:
I think a bone would be a material that a more advanced tool maker would use.
See, I think that our proto tool-user is sitting on his haunches beside a big half-rotten mastodon, polishing off some early form of the Big Mac, and needs something to help him scrape some meat off of the ribs, which is sort of tough and stringy. So he reaches around, and finds a nice handy bone splinter left by the scavenging wolves, and uses it to scrape the rib meat off. Bingo. A tool.

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Post by ahamacav » Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:02 am

Scott wrote:
... big half-rotten ...ribs, ... handy bone ... Bingo. A tool.
Totally likely scenario, but I mean the first tool MADE, not a handy device found and used.
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Post by Tracker » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:34 am

I would think the handy / found tool would be first and the "made" tool would happen when there were no natural ones to be found. Then, as long as you have to make it, why not improve it? "Tool" jealosy would lead to competition and further improvements. :idea:
I seem to remember that some old dead guy said, "Necessity is the mother of invention".

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Re: Olde-Tymie Survival Tool

Post by Thom » Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:19 pm

The tool would have to be perserved, then found. Difficult set of circumstances that may never yeild an answer.

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